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Re: [CORE-Discussion] crazy old marnt of the week

Comments (0) | Thursday, April 17, 2014

Ditto on the Cari Free. Has made a big difference in a number of our patients and there is a real science behind it. Learned about this protocol on this blog

Al




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Thanks, Jack.  I'll go to the website.
 
tc
 
In a message dated 4/17/2014 6:33:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, drjackdds@gmail.com writes:
Tom.....r.e. the caries.  It goes without saying that Kate needs to STOP whatever frequent sugar is driving her caries.  Please, look into the anticaries products available through CariFree  (Oralbiotech).  They have a well thought out system that has real science behind it.  I can tell you that it really works to get pts back in balance.   I can give you more detail, if you like, but the website can bring you up to speed more efficiently (www. carefree.com).
            Jack


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, <Tcasoulet@aol.com> wrote:
how has what we now know affected the way we look at teeth?
 
not-so short story:  I have two  50ish divorced friends ( she's a patient and we recently restored her posterior segment with emax crowns).  They have a 25 year old daughter in grad school in Denver.  One of the reasons I'm writing this is  that this young lady is a trainwreck and needs someone in Denver to help save her dentally and medically.
 
She had a toothache last year and ended up with endodontics on #3 which let a gaping crater where the mesial half of the tooth used to be.  The crater was packed with some IRM.  (that's what I really want, eugenol all over where I need to do a composite core buildup. There was a big distal carious lesion on the distal of #5.
 
As a favor, I see her on a Saturday to evaluate her issues and a 'treatment plan" from a dentist-in-a -box franchise in Denver that didn't even have the Dentist's name on it which nonetheless charged her $100 for a "comprehensive oral evaluation" before guaranteeing to fix her up in two easy visits with Doctor Sirona.
 
 One look tells me she can't breathe and is a total wreck.  4 bi extraction ortho - no midface- low tongue posture with lateral scalloping, malampati 4,high palatal vault, chapped lips, underdevloped nasal capsule and nose, forward head posture, significant wear to anterior teeth due to chronic noctrurnal bruxism to maintain airway patency.  Looks exhausted, fells like shit, can't  sleep, tired 24/7/365.  Other than that,everything's normal and healthy!
 
Made diagnostic vinyl impressions, 2 sets of casts, one for diagnostic waxup,sent fax & letter to denverdocinaboxdental requesting emailng,faxing ,or snailmaling her radiographs to me.  Gave her  copy of Sleep Interrupted and sent her back to Denver with a pulse oximeter for multiple night studies.  Scheduled to see her on my day off to at least do the crown which I'd make myself during the weekend to save her a trip from Colorado.
 
The best-laid plans of mice & men....
 
Never got the x-ray pictures
 
She kept the oximeter a month and "couldn't stand to have it on her wrist". Got it back with no data, although this reaction is typical of young-ish very driven people with serious UARS issues.
 
Finally got her in last week to restore #s 3 & 4.  She's back in Denver with a provisional crown and some operative dentistry and her emax crown for #3 is glazing in my lab as this is written.  But in the few hours I spent with her basically tying to do some good, efficient mechanical procedures I discovered so much that I had to write the attached letter to her parents.
 
I'm posting the letter for two reasons; 
 
 First,  anybody in Denver listening?  Or do you know somebody good in Denver?  If so, HELP!!
 
 
and, B :  This issue with this young lady really brings home to me the tremendous  difference in the way we look at our dental patients today.  And it makes me personally grateful for how much I've learned through this blog and the people on it who so freely share their knowledge.  If I'd seen this young lady five years ago, we'd have cleaned her up, put her on daily flossing with fluoride dentifrice, do her operative dentistry, and send her off to college with a nightguard for that pesky  nocturnal bruxism, not knowing that the nightguard would make her breathing worse, not better.
 
nextrantopic: how homeoblocks made me see God.
 
 
t colquitt
 
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Thanks, Jack.  I'll go to the website.
 
tc
 
In a message dated 4/17/2014 6:33:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, drjackdds@gmail.com writes:
Tom.....r.e. the caries.  It goes without saying that Kate needs to STOP whatever frequent sugar is driving her caries.  Please, look into the anticaries products available through CariFree  (Oralbiotech).  They have a well thought out system that has real science behind it.  I can tell you that it really works to get pts back in balance.   I can give you more detail, if you like, but the website can bring you up to speed more efficiently (www. carefree.com).
            Jack


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, <Tcasoulet@aol.com> wrote:
how has what we now know affected the way we look at teeth?
 
not-so short story:  I have two  50ish divorced friends ( she's a patient and we recently restored her posterior segment with emax crowns).  They have a 25 year old daughter in grad school in Denver.  One of the reasons I'm writing this is  that this young lady is a trainwreck and needs someone in Denver to help save her dentally and medically.
 
She had a toothache last year and ended up with endodontics on #3 which let a gaping crater where the mesial half of the tooth used to be.  The crater was packed with some IRM.  (that's what I really want, eugenol all over where I need to do a composite core buildup. There was a big distal carious lesion on the distal of #5.
 
As a favor, I see her on a Saturday to evaluate her issues and a 'treatment plan" from a dentist-in-a -box franchise in Denver that didn't even have the Dentist's name on it which nonetheless charged her $100 for a "comprehensive oral evaluation" before guaranteeing to fix her up in two easy visits with Doctor Sirona.
 
 One look tells me she can't breathe and is a total wreck.  4 bi extraction ortho - no midface- low tongue posture with lateral scalloping, malampati 4,high palatal vault, chapped lips, underdevloped nasal capsule and nose, forward head posture, significant wear to anterior teeth due to chronic noctrurnal bruxism to maintain airway patency.  Looks exhausted, fells like shit, can't  sleep, tired 24/7/365.  Other than that,everything's normal and healthy!
 
Made diagnostic vinyl impressions, 2 sets of casts, one for diagnostic waxup,sent fax & letter to denverdocinaboxdental requesting emailng,faxing ,or snailmaling her radiographs to me.  Gave her  copy of Sleep Interrupted and sent her back to Denver with a pulse oximeter for multiple night studies.  Scheduled to see her on my day off to at least do the crown which I'd make myself during the weekend to save her a trip from Colorado.
 
The best-laid plans of mice & men....
 
Never got the x-ray pictures
 
She kept the oximeter a month and "couldn't stand to have it on her wrist". Got it back with no data, although this reaction is typical of young-ish very driven people with serious UARS issues.
 
Finally got her in last week to restore #s 3 & 4.  She's back in Denver with a provisional crown and some operative dentistry and her emax crown for #3 is glazing in my lab as this is written.  But in the few hours I spent with her basically tying to do some good, efficient mechanical procedures I discovered so much that I had to write the attached letter to her parents.
 
I'm posting the letter for two reasons; 
 
 First,  anybody in Denver listening?  Or do you know somebody good in Denver?  If so, HELP!!
 
 
and, B :  This issue with this young lady really brings home to me the tremendous  difference in the way we look at our dental patients today.  And it makes me personally grateful for how much I've learned through this blog and the people on it who so freely share their knowledge.  If I'd seen this young lady five years ago, we'd have cleaned her up, put her on daily flossing with fluoride dentifrice, do her operative dentistry, and send her off to college with a nightguard for that pesky  nocturnal bruxism, not knowing that the nightguard would make her breathing worse, not better.
 
nextrantopic: how homeoblocks made me see God.
 
 
t colquitt
 

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Re: [CORE-Discussion] crazy old marnt of the week

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Al-
 
- glad you liked the autonomic explanation.l If we're going to sell these concepts to the public we need to digest incredibly broad and complex information down to easily understandable bullet points. 
that's what i tried to do in the letter to thi syoung lady's parents and passed it on if it will help others achieve the same goal.
 
t colquitt
 
In a message dated 4/16/2014 6:51:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, toothman54@aol.com writes:
Dear Crazy Old Marnt
Again thanks for sharing.
It is so enlightening to be able to look at dentistry and health from this perspective. I like the your simplification of the autonomic nervous system. We will share that with our patients. This breathing stuff has certainly has humbled me and made me realize that there is so much i do not know. Turned my world upside down but it has been fun hanging on; I feel that I am on to something that is going to become BIGger and bigger.

Al


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Thanks, Jeff.
 
tom
 
In a message dated 4/16/2014 2:34:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, txacad@aol.com writes:
In Denver, Andrea Taylor is great


Jeff Rouse


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Sent: Wed, Apr 16, 2014 2:27 pm
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Tom, Call Ken Peters DDS ,he is in Denver. Terry
 
 
how has what we now know affected the way we look at teeth?
 
not-so short story:  I have two  50ish divorced friends ( she's a patient and we recently restored her posterior segment with emax crowns).  They have a 25 year old daughter in grad school in Denver.  One of the reasons I'm writing this is  that this young lady is a trainwreck and needs someone in Denver to help save her dentally and medically.
 
She had a toothache last year and ended up with endodontics on #3 which let a gaping crater where the mesial half of the tooth used to be.  The crater was packed with some IRM.  (that's what I really want, eugenol all over where I need to do a composite core buildup. There was a big distal carious lesion on the distal of #5.
 
As a favor, I see her on a Saturday to evaluate her issues and a 'treatment plan" from a dentist-in-a -box franchise in Denver that didn't even have the Dentist's name on it which nonetheless charged her $100 for a "comprehensive oral evaluation" before guaranteeing to fix her up in two easy visits with Doctor Sirona.
 
 One look tells me she can't breathe and is a total wreck.  4 bi extraction ortho - no midface- low tongue posture with lateral scalloping, malampati 4,high palatal vault, chapped lips, underdevloped nasal capsule and nose, forward head posture, significant wear to anterior teeth due to chronic noctrurnal bruxism to maintain airway patency.  Looks exhausted, fells like shit, can't  sleep, tired 24/7/365.  Other than that,everything's normal and healthy!
 
Made diagnostic vinyl impressions, 2 sets of casts, one for diagnostic waxup,sent fax & letter to denverdocinaboxdental requesting emailng,faxing ,or snailmaling her radiographs to me.  Gave her  copy of Sleep Interrupted and sent her back to Denver with a pulse oximeter for multiple night studies.  Scheduled to see her on my day off to at least do the crown which I'd make myself during the weekend to save her a trip from Colorado.
 
The best-laid plans of mice & men....
 
Never got the x-ray pictures
 
She kept the oximeter a month and "couldn't stand to have it on her wrist". Got it back with no data, although this reaction is typical of young-ish very driven people with serious UARS issues.
 
Finally got her in last week to restore #s 3 & 4.  She's back in Denver with a provisional crown and some operative dentistry and her emax crown for #3 is glazing in my lab as this is written.  But in the few hours I spent with her basically tying to do some good, efficient mechanical procedures I discovered so much that I had to write the attached letter to her parents.
 
I'm posting the letter for two reasons; 
 
 First,  anybody in Denver listening?  Or do you know somebody good in Denver?  If so, HELP!!
 
 
and, B :  This issue with this young lady really brings home to me the tremendous  difference in the way we look at our dental patients today.  And it makes me personally grateful for how much I've learned through this blog and the people on it who so freely share their knowledge.  If I'd seen this young lady five years ago, we'd have cleaned her up, put her on daily flossing with fluoride dentifrice, do her operative dentistry, and send her off to college with a nightguard for that pesky  nocturnal bruxism, not knowing that the nightguard would make her breathing worse, not better.
 
nextrantopic: how homeoblocks made me see God.
 
 
t colquitt
 
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