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Comments (0) | Monday, July 27, 2015

rdrinnan@magma.ca: Jul 27 07:12PM -0700

> We bought 3 different pieces of look cookware about 12 years ago and we are now just about to renew them as they have been excellent pieces of kit and came with a ten year warranty, look cookware seems to be no more which is a pity
 
Not sure where you live bu check out Scanpan Classic cookware ... it is virtually identical to the Look line
koko <koko@letscook.com>: Jul 27 06:40PM -0700

>loves to sleep in the sleeves of them while I sit at the computer.
>These pics were taken after she woke up and "came out for air." :)
 
> http://i59.tinypic.com/r2td1c.jpg
 
Awww that is too stinkin' cute
 
koko
 
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Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard
sf <sf@geemail.com>: Jul 27 05:46PM -0700

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:36:24 -0400, Dave Smith
> Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
> did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
> sound I like to have to deal with.
 
Maybe you can find an airline that doesn't take people under 50 to fly
on.
 
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sf
"Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com>: Jul 27 05:46PM -0700

"jmcquown" <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:d1nsbaF8p4aU1@mid.individual.net...
 
> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
 
> Jill
 
Nope, never did, never will. My grandkids get a lot of leeway, but not to
destroy things or be disrespectful of others. I find that kids do well with
boundaries. It makes for a happy time for all. Usually when some kids are
acting like little maniacs in the stores it's because of lazy parenting.
Nobody will ever convince me that it's a good thing either.
 
Cheri
sf <sf@geemail.com>: Jul 27 05:54PM -0700

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
 
> > airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> > must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
 
> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?
 
I forget now because it was so long ago. Either I figured it out all
by myself due to my personal experiences with infants as a parent or
they told me. I've been in an airplane when the air pressure made it
feel like there was a knife in my eardrum. An infant will feel that,
not know why it's happening and crying will ensue. I'm sure you'd
remember every vivid detail and tell it to rfc every chance you got,
but it didn't bother me so I don't remember the details.
 
> Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
> children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
> to put up with it. Why, I don't know.
 
Funny how the grumps always find something to be grumpy about.
> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
 
Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
long in the tooth.
 
 
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sf
sf <sf@geemail.com>: Jul 27 05:56PM -0700

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:34:40 -0400, Dave Smith
 
> This golf club dining membership is starting to sound like a better deal
> all the time.
 
I think it's wonderful and don't know what's stopping you. The price
is certainly right.
 
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sf
dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid>: Jul 27 03:00PM -1000

On 7/27/2015 12:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
> did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
> sound I like to have to deal with.
 
You summed up the situation well. It's hard for most people to take.
OTOH, it helps if you understand what's going on. Babies cry when
they're in pain. This is unavoidable but it may be of some comfort if
you know what's happening and can empathize with the pain of others.
Sal Paradise <es@le.n>: Jul 27 07:13PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:54 PM, sf wrote:
>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
 
> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
> long in the tooth.
 
Look back in those days "Lady Chatterly's Lover" was a prized commodity ;-)
Roy <wilagro@hotmail.com>: Jul 27 06:19PM -0700

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:14:19 PM UTC-6, Sal Paradise wrote:
 
> > Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
> > long in the tooth.
 
> Look back in those days "Lady Chatterly's Lover" was a prized commodity ;-)
 
Yes, there many good things to emulate in that book.
"Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidnits@eternal-september.invalid>: Jul 27 07:56PM -0500

"sf" gobbled casa li'l boner:
 
>sockpuppet wrote:
 
 
>> Criminal stalking there troll, fair warning!
 
>http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/stalking/pages/welcome.aspx
 
By all means if you think a crime has been committed against
you, call the authorities. I'm sure they would enjoy you wasting
their time with your internet hate campaign.
 
K00k.
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 07:14PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:56 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> the authorities. I'm sure they would enjoy you wasting their time with
> your internet hate campaign.
 
> K00k.
 
 
You're going DOWN, Jethro!
Roy <wilagro@hotmail.com>: Jul 27 05:43PM -0700

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:22:19 PM UTC-6, Sal Paradise wrote:
> way, Recarey had paid Jeb Bush's company a $75,000 "real-estate
> consultant fee". All totaled, Recarey embezzled over $1 billion in
> Medicare funds through false billings and outright theft.
 
NO MORE OF THIS BUSH CRAP...ARE YOU LISTENING?
Sal Paradise <es@le.n>: Jul 27 07:12PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:43 PM, Roy wrote:
 
 
> NO MORE OF THIS BUSH CRAP...ARE YOU LISTENING?
 
Rotsa ruck there!
 
The trolls don't take orders, they just kill groups off.
Roy <wilagro@hotmail.com>: Jul 27 05:36PM -0700

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-6, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:
> learns, he changes." Bush was particularly influenced by the experience
> of governing: he suddenly had access to measurements of what worked, and
> what did not, on issues like juvenile justice
 
No more of this Bush shit...you hear?
Roy <wilagro@hotmail.com>: Jul 27 05:37PM -0700

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:23:08 PM UTC-6, Sal Paradise wrote:
> way, Recarey had paid Jeb Bush's company a $75,000 "real-estate
> consultant fee". All totaled, Recarey embezzled over $1 billion in
> Medicare funds through false billings and outright theft.
 
No more of this Bush shit...you hear me?
Sal Paradise <es@le.n>: Jul 27 07:07PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> comes to French (quoi?) fries.
 
>> They're Cossacks for dipping in plebeian mayo.
 
> Oil and eggs are universal. Even the plebs love it.
 
Not on fries, and not on burgers, thank you very much!
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 07:10PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:36 PM, Roy wrote:
>> of governing: he suddenly had access to measurements of what worked, and
>> what did not, on issues like juvenile justice
 
> No more of this Bush shit...you hear?
 
Marty and Sqwerty don't listen, period.
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 07:11PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:37 PM, Roy wrote:
> No more of this Bush shit...you hear me?
 
Let me ditto that, in fact no more Bushes OR Clinton's period.
MisterDiddyWahDiddy <bryangsimmons@gmail.com>: Jul 27 05:35PM -0700

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 12:28:58 PM UTC-5, KenK wrote:
> XednZ2d@giganews.com:
 
> > Sounds about right. I just heard something on the news that the average
> > wage is now $55,000.
 
That is NOT average *wage*, but average income, and is skewed by the folks
who have obscenely high incomes from salaries--and probably includes
dividends and capital gains.
 
> My first full-time job after high school in the early 50s as in a factory.
> $100 a week was enough to provide for a small family - for me it was a
> small fortune.
 
In the "early 50s," a postage stamp cost 3 cents. Back then, the top rate
of income tax was 91%, and America created a middle income class that had
no rival, while subsidizing Europe's recovery and insuring European peace
for decades into the future.
 
Most of the economic problems in the 1st World could be solved by a return
to a highly progressive tax regime, like we had in the early '50s.
 
--Bryan
"You live a dogs [sic] live [sic] with your nose planted in your
wife's crotch."
--Barbara Llorente in rec.food.cooking July 21, 2015
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 07:09PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:35 PM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> of income tax was 91%, and America created a middle income class that had
> no rival, while subsidizing Europe's recovery and insuring European peace
> for decades into the future.
 
We also had almost ZERO upward mobility.
 
Your vaunted "middle class" was a range bound static mass of postwar
zombies scrambling to get out of the cities and make something of
themselves.
 
You're a fools' fool and an artless LIAR!
 
Now fuck off and go to HEll!
"Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidnits@eternal-september.invalid>: Jul 27 07:33PM -0500

"Sqwertz" wrote in message
news:1gf5zpmz8zv3f$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
 
 
>this
>shit again when he inevitably returns.
 
>-sw
 
Hopefully, as in I also hope plate tectonics stops causing
earthquakes. That kind of hopeful.
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 07:08PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 6:33 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> I also hope plate tectonics stops causing earthquakes.
Folks hereabouts know so many of Nunya Snitchiness' names, as Marty B in KC:
 
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers/P2QjeU78LoU
 
Alexander_The_Goat
4/16/10
Re: ''Internet stalker'' Nunya Bidnitscaptured.
 
 
"Nunya Shitlips" <Nunya-S...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5172-4BC899D3-1558@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
 
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!
 
Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?
 
One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.
 
Now fuck off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.
 
I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.
 
And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.
 
Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.
 
Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.
 
MBKC
sf <sf@geemail.com>: Jul 27 05:45PM -0700

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:36:11 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
 
 
> What issue? The person has a P.O. Box but occasionally puts outgoing
> mail in someone elses mailbox. So what? It would be polite if they
> asked first but it's not worth getting upset about.
 
Nobody is upset unless it's you.
 
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sf
Bruce <Bruce@Bruce.invalid>: Jul 28 10:30AM +1000


>> Cossacks are Slavs. Belgians and Dutch are the authorities when it
>> comes to French (quoi?) fries.
 
>They're Cossacks for dipping in plebeian mayo.
 
Oil and eggs are universal. Even the plebs love it.
 
--
Bruce
Bruce <Bruce@Bruce.invalid>: Jul 28 10:38AM +1000

>> http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/salmon-cakes-recipe.html
 
>Smile, lots of fish recipes are from folks who don't eat fish regular
>and cook it to almost leather.
 
True, overcooking fish fearers!
 
 
>Your fish at a preheated 400F is done in 12 mins. Remove immediately
>from heat. Thats for Salmon at 1.5 inches thick. You will be amazed
>at how much better it is when not over cooked!
 
Salmon sashimi's the ultimate proof of that.
 
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Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>: Jul 27 08:21PM -0500

We've gathered all of Alton Brown's best recipes together to make it
easy for you to browse and pick your favorites.
F ea tured In This
Gallery
 
http://www.foodnetwork.com/chefs/alton-brown/alton-browns-top-recipes.html?c1=OB_DGTL_FN_HPVAC&c2=Outbrain&c3=FN_HPVAC_5345515&c4=Baked+Macaroni+and+Cheese
 
 
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"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:12PM -0500

John Kuthe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
> natural ingredients. Unless you consider beef boullion cubes
> "artificial".
 
> John Kuthe...
 
Works for me John, but a Little BBQ sauce isnt a terrible sin for those
who like it.
 
Carol
 
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"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:13PM -0500

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
 
> Even so, beef boullion ruins beans... use smoked ham or at least
> chicken cubes... Goya has wonderful smoked ham cubes, actually
> powdered in a foil packet.
 
Agreed and we have those ham cubes here for fast fixes when out of
smoked ham hocks or smoked cured jowl.
 
Carol
 
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"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:16PM -0500

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
> For me I take a few cans of pork and beans and add onion, green
> pepper, brown sugar and some powdered mustard. Heat it all for awhile
> to let the flavors blend.
 
LOL! So different from my cooking but I bet I'd like it! BTW, I see
nothing wrong with canned beans and fancying them up. I normally make
from dry but frankly, it's at least half because i like to tinker.
 
Carol
 
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Brooklyn1 <gravesend10@verizon.net>: Jul 27 08:12PM -0400

>> powdered in a foil packet.
 
>Agreed and we have those ham cubes here for fast fixes when out of
>smoked ham hocks or smoked cured jowl.
 
When you don't have a ham bone this works well for beans, read the
reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Goya-Foods-Flavor-Concentrate-1-41-Ounce/dp/B008CE6CBW/ref=pd_sim_sbs_325_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=09HC22FV94DDBW165GGD
lucretiaborgia@fl.it: Jul 27 08:07PM -0300

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:46:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>positions with a company or those being considered for promotion are
>taken out for a dinner/interview situation. Their interview answers may
>not be as important as their table manners.
 
Spot on in her case, she came home as Maritime Manager.
 
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lucretiaborgia@fl.it: Jul 27 08:08PM -0300


>If I had more spare time, I'd do half smoked and half baked, then
>compare. Oh well, I'll play it safe and just bake the fillets for
>about 20 minutes.
 
Twenty minutes seems a long time for fish.
 
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Sqwertz <swertz@cluemail.compost>: Jul 27 06:12PM -0500

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:58:37 -0500, cshenk wrote:
 
> Got the recipe for this one?
 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz/19201797018/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
> They were something brown-meat sauce filled.
 
The dough recipe was from:
 
http://www.grouprecipes.com/132102/beef-cheese-piroshki.html
 
But the filling was very different (beef, mushroom, onion, cheese,
beef stock, and ....?)
 
From my original post here in RFC:
 
> enough before dough browned).
 
> After frying:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz/19201797018/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
-sw
lucretiaborgia@fl.it: Jul 27 08:55PM -0300


>>Twenty minutes seems a long time for fish.
 
>I thought so too, but I've looked up a few recipes and that's what
>they suggest. They are quite large fillets.
 
Start checking them after ten lol
 
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Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 05:36PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 5:12 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.
 
For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.
 
After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?
 
That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.
 
Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
 
And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.
 
Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
 
-sw
"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:51PM -0500

Sqwertz wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz/19201797018/in/photostream/lig
> > htbox/
 
> -sw
 
THanks! Feels very much like something i had in Vladivistok which
oddly, was not dissimular to something I had in Darwin as well. Not
USA 'pita-pocket' at all yet related.
 
Carol
 
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"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:10PM -0500

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
 
> If I had more spare time, I'd do half smoked and half baked, then
> compare. Oh well, I'll play it safe and just bake the fillets for
> about 20 minutes.
 
Hey, unless that fillet is 2 inches thick, thats going to be over
cooked. Fish is delicate and cooks at 10 mins per inch thick.
 
Carol
 
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Jeßus <ask@chevron.com>: Jul 28 09:12AM +1000

>>compare. Oh well, I'll play it safe and just bake the fillets for
>>about 20 minutes.
 
>Twenty minutes seems a long time for fish.
 
I thought so too, but I've looked up a few recipes and that's what
they suggest. They are quite large fillets.
Jeßus <ask@chevron.com>: Jul 28 09:15AM +1000

>> about 20 minutes.
 
>Hey, unless that fillet is 2 inches thick, thats going to be over
>cooked. Fish is delicate and cooks at 10 mins per inch thick.
 
The fillets are maybe 1.5" thick, but I'll proceed with caution...
 
I thought 20 mins sounded a bit long too, but that's what more than
one recipe suggests <shrug>:
http://www.marthastewart.com/341219/salmon-cakes
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/salmon-cakes-recipe.html
"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:46PM -0500

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
> one recipe suggests <shrug>:
> http://www.marthastewart.com/341219/salmon-cakes
> http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/salmon-cakes-recipe.html
 
Smile, lots of fish recipes are from folks who don't eat fish regular
and cook it to almost leather. Salmon is a little forgiving over over
cooking and can actually still be choked down 'well done'.
 
Your fish at a preheated 400F is done in 12 mins. Remove immediately
from heat. Thats for Salmon at 1.5 inches thick. You will be amazed
at how much better it is when not over cooked!
 
Carol
 
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Christopher Helms <chrishelms2@gmail.com>: Jul 27 04:20PM -0700

And real wages have been stagnant since 1967. And thats using the governments own lowball inflation numbers.
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 05:37PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 5:20 PM, Christopher Helms wrote:
> And real wages have been stagnant since 1967.
Take it to the proper group, troll.
Sal Paradise <es@le.n>: Jul 27 05:06PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 5:03 PM, Bruce wrote:
 
>> You have the pallet of a Cossack :-(
 
> Cossacks are Slavs. Belgians and Dutch are the authorities when it
> comes to French (quoi?) fries.
 
They're Cossacks for dipping in plebeian mayo.
"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 27 06:27PM -0500

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
 
> > must be the "American Dream"...
 
> > and DON'T even start about Burgers (German) and "Fries" (Belgian)...
 
> <g>
 
Amusing yes but not very accurate. For example: grits come from
America type corn and that didnt exist outside this continent until
exported from here.
 
Carol
 
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jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jul 27 07:14PM -0400

On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
 
How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?
 
Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
to put up with it. Why, I don't know.
 
When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
 
Jill
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 27 03:25PM -0600

On 7/27/2015 3:14 PM, gtr wrote:
 
> I think that's about the 4th or 5th response to this attention-hungry
> troll just for today. It seems it's getting what it wants. At this rate
> it should give up in another 10 to 15 years.
 
Marty's like that...
Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal <flush@group.killas>: Jul 28 07:30AM +1000

On 7/28/2015 7:24 AM, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:
should you believe Bush's new found compassion? Should you believe any
of the Bush family, no matter what they say? Would you ever believe a
criminal's word? How about an entire family of criminals?
 
Remember his daddy's "Kinder and Gentler Nation"? Did any of you notice
any improvement in the treatment of those who the Republicans are so
fond of reviling; the poor and single women and working women and
children and the elderly and the disabled? Nope, neither did I. Do you
believe for a moment that sonny boy has any intention of actually doing
anything but just mouthing those words until election day and then
falling back into the mean spirited, hateful, despicable ways of all
Republican politicians? Nope, neither do I.
 
Okay, let's spend a few minutes doing what the corporately owned media
has no intention of doing; factually looking at the criminal record that
the entire Bush family has loosed upon America and her citizens. History
is a far better indicator of a person's future actions than any
ludicrous promises or political platforms during an election. Careful,
though, this type of honest examination that always precedes the usual
death threats and taunts of "liar, liar, pants on fire." As Mort Sahl
once said about Ronald Reagan, "When I quote him, I'm accused of
slandering him."
 
Let's begin with George W. Bush, Sr., shall we?
 
Just to refresh your memory, it was Bush who, during his failed 1980 run
for the Presidency, labeled Reagan's twisted "Trickle Down Theory" as
"voodoo economics" and then, once chosen as the feeble-minded old man's
running mate, spent the next twelve years pretending to accept the lie.
It was during his successful 1988 Presidential campaign that he
proclaimed "Read my lips! No new taxes!" but, well, you get the picture.
 
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strongly support the accusation that then Vice-President Bush was not
"Out of the loop", as he repeatedly claimed, but was fully aware of the
illegal arms shipments to Iran and also of the drugs that were being
imported into the poorest neighborhoods in America by the terrorists he
and Reagan were illegally supporting in Nicaragua. The world will never
know the truth, of course, because one of Bush's last acts as President
was to pardon everyone related to these high crimes and misdemeanors.
 
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the Mideast who were also acting as informants. These dealers were
passing on military and political information regarding such nations as
Syria and Iraq in exchange for that protection.
 
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Kimberlin, a convicted small time drug dealer, was placed in solitary
confinement for the entire 1988 presidential election cycle. Why such a
harsh punishment for such a small time crook? Because Kimberlin had
stated in an NBC interview that he had been the source for the monthly
marijuana purchases of one Dan Quayle and that he had made Quayle and
his new blushing, conservative bride, Marilyn, a wedding present of
hashish and marijuana which, it goes without saying, was consumed and
not reported to the local police.
 
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celebrated "Deep-Throat" of Watergate fame. That evidence, however, has
long since been destroyed. (1)
 
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assisted Miguel Recarey, a fugitive now living in Spain, to steal over
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standard rule of 50-50 (meaning that at least 50% of an HMO's clients
cannot be Medicare patients but must be full paying clients). This theft
left 150,000 elderly Americans without medical coverage. Oh, and by the
way, Recarey had paid Jeb Bush's company a $75,000 "real-estate
consultant fee". All totaled, Recarey embezzled over $1 billion in
Medicare funds through false billings and outright theft.
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Most on this forum have seen that shift from tooth-focused thinking to muscle-focused and airway-focused thinking in their practices as well, Shirley, and you would be serving your patients well by doing that too.  There are any number of approaches you can use for the young kids.  Look at the Myobrace and Perfect Start systems (disclosure: I use both and lecture for the Myobrace guys).  Both look at establishing good posture and function in kids as young as 4yo (and earlier) by teaching the good habits that lead to better facial growth and airway development.  Both are best implemented in the office by an enthusiastic (and trained) RDH or DA that loves kids.  Myobrace has the protocols and training materials all laid out including written, video, online and app-based instructional materials.  

No longer should children be told to wait for their teeth to get crooked before they get fixed.  Would we do that with any other deformity?

Barry

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, 'Shirley Gutkowski' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com> wrote:

So this really changes the conversation in the dental hygiene treatment room or should. From this is how you floss and you need more fluoride to how and what to chew where to put your tongue when speaking to children, or teaching them. Every year schools are asking hygienists to come and talk about dental health during February, we could be teaching tongue posture and chewing. Maybe start kindergarteners with that message and switch to oral hygiene in 4th grade or something. Can we agree that using the mouth properly can decrease caries incidence/risk? Chewing hard foods etc. And if the kid cannot chew hard foods they need an OMT eval?

My personal focus is getting further and further from the fluoride deficiency model so prevalent today.

 

How are the other hygienists on this forum using this info and what are the docs expecting from their hygiensits?

 

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH

I will be out of the office July 14 to August 1. Just so you know...

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From: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com [mailto:core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Raphael
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 2:09 PM


To: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [CORE-Discussion] Shirley Gutkowski Now something else entirely :)

 

Also......(to follow Scott and echo what you already know Shirley)...our overall posture has changed dramatically in this brave new world....we slouch, we hunch, we focus on things only inches from our face, we let our mouths hangs open and our tongue off the palate. Improper tongue positioning and posture only adds to the poor growth of the maxilla by failing to support (or scaffold) the bone during growth.  Thus from soft food and poor posture, the maxilla is changed in all three dimensions of space - not just in width, mind you, but it also fails to grow forward AND it tends to slump vertically.  Not only is this dystrophic (deformed) jaw too small for all the teeth, it also prevents the nasopharyngeal airway from opening up fully.  Hence both malocclusion and the primary risk factor for poor breathing and sleep.  

 

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:41 PM, 'Scott' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Shirley , Use it or lose it.....the PDL and maxillary sutures need to be stimulated in order to activate mesenchymal cells to differentiate into osteoclasts... Via bone morphogenic protein, new bone is created that can hold the 32 teeth... Humans are the only animal with impacted third molars...We are not supposed to have impacted teeth!!! This is simply not enough bone growth for the predetermined teeth...

This stimulation is needed in the formative years to create proper bone growth...processed soft fast food is the opposite thing our genes crave...this lack of chewing prevents the full development of the jaw bones and the result is crowding and impactions.....

In addition, chewing for at least 15 minutes is required to decrease cortisol release and stimulate the parasympathetic... Without the proper chewing time you get dysautonomia and increased cortisol (two things seen in many modern civilizations)... In addition, the increased cortisol also prevents proper bone develop via inhibition of periosteum development...

So proper bone growth can be interrupted by dysautonomia and by improper stimulation of mesenchymal cells....

The narrowing of the jaw is also seen in the gonial angle of the mandible in modern man versus ancient man...

 

Slow down and Chew Your Food and don't eat soft fast food!

S Simonetti



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On Jul 26, 2015, at 8:31 AM, 'Shirley Gutkowski' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Ok, so lessons learned are:

 

1.      Don't believe everything you hear

2.      The government can be duped

3.      Even the government can be mislead (read with an eye roll)

 

Hurdles those in the know face are:

1.      Skeptical listeners (see number one above)

2.      Vast assortment of touch points with quantity that seems to be never ending

3.      Probably some more reasons

 

The mechanism though is the missing piece for me.

Aside from removing the need for chewing, and the lack of nutrients, the disinterest in mother's breast feeding what has happened? How has the epigenetics factored in? Is it reasonable to assume that the lack of chewing needed in the 70s and 80s with processed foods, is contributing to ever decreasing maxilla size? Anyone have a mind map of how these bits n parts fit together?  

 

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH

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From: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com [mailto:core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com]

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:40 PM
To: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com
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Blame.... If you want to point a finger and find the inflection point, it has to be directed at Ansel Keyes... The inventor of the "k-ration" for the army found himself giving nutrition advice to the country... What he said essentially changed the course of American history and the food we eat ...he basically "fudged" data to prove a point ( that ended up being incorrect) and started the war on saturated fat... He ushered in " low fat" foods filled with sugar and help create the food conglomerates that control our food to this day....you can't turn back the clock but I feel it's important to discuss the damage Keyes created 60 years ago....

S Simonetti

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On Jul 25, 2015, at 12:32 PM, 'Shirley Gutkowski' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I love big picture. There's a diversity in dentistry. I believe  talent and motivation variations allow for these kinds of topics. There are just a few percent in any industry who are willing to take on the big fight. The documentary King Corn follows two recent college grads as they try to find out how they have corn DNA in their cells and what it takes to get it out. I kid you not.

What's happened to our food and the level of unmanaged stress has all happened in the last 70 years or so.

I remember everyone laughing at some guy railing against car and airplane travel saying that the brain can only handle about 25 miles per hour or however the fastest human can run. At the time he was an obvious nut job, but maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was one of our first warnings that something bad is going on. Maybe we're all late to the party.

 

What's happened to the face has all happened in about one and a half generations, right? Our technology has really moved us forward (or sideways) at an unheard of pace. What should we be slowing down? Would that matter?

 

One by one dietary changes is the first step, encouraging breastfeeding as long as possible for at least a year are starting points. It's important to keep the big picture in mind too.

 

 

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH

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From: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com [mailto:core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Raphael
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 10:29 AM
To: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [CORE-Discussion] Shirley Gutkowski Now something else entirely :)

 

Scott, you're right about correcting the individual...helping him/her get rid of the compensations made to overcome the stressors of the modern environment - mouthbreathing, slouching, eating tons of sugar, working around the clock, etc.  Airway focused dentistry is wholly about addressing these compensations and returning a person to competency - competent breathing, chewing, swallowing, eating, sleeping, posture and activity, and so on.

 

But we also need to focus on the big picture, too.  How is the culture that our ancestors created, and that WE are propagating to the next generation, a compensation for what we've become?  What kind of culture will we pass on?  Let's look at our CULTURAL compensations: industrial food to feed an exploding population, allopathic medicine to cope with an explosion of chronic diseases in young and old, 24 hour business cycles to take advantage of artificial light and our newfound ability to be heard around the world, and many more.   While each compensation always has a benefit to us (singly or collectively, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it), they all have their negative consequences as well.  That is the story that Price and Pottenger taught us.

 

In his book (which I highly recommend for the big picture) "The Story of the Human Body" by Daniel Lieberman, Harvard paleontologist, his says the Cultural Evolution as become a far more important factor in the trajectory of our species than is natural selection.  Epigenetics is the reason why.

 

So it's time for us to "Think global, act local" on this issue of healthcare.  Change culture one person at a time.

 

If I'm preaching to the choir, then the choir needs to about-face and start singing.

 

Barry

 

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 9:06 AM, 'Scott' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Shirley, there is no doubt in my mind that the  Price-Pottenger foundation has the information and the knowledge that PROVES why humans are in the middle of a negative epigenetic change that is blatantly obvious in our skull shapes....food is the main way we interact with our environments and most humans are consuming the worst food in the history of mankind....it clearly is showing up in our skulls (and pelvis)... It is extremely  difficult to enact world change in the food supply therefore we can have more influence by "correcting" the individual... Correcting includes a nighttime appliance, daytime stress reduction and breathing exercises, and nutritional changes...

We truly are what we eat...and we are what are parents and grandparents ate!  When we put something in our mouths, we influence are unborn grandchildren!!!

Epigenetics is so powerful that scientists have been able to breed blind mice by providing a Vitamin A free diet to the mother... These are not mutations, these are epigenetic tags....

Humans narrow skulls are not mutations, they are epigenetic changes that are expressed in the phenotype... The best part is these tags are REVERSIBLE!! The genome can be rehabilitated with the correct environmental stimulus..the person and the offspring can be "corrected"

It's not too late for humans... We simply have to use the knowledge in front of us to enact positive change..

S Simonetti

 


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On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:04 AM, 'Shirley Gutkowski' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I have two questions that are occupying my time right now. The epigenetics of facial development and how Pottenger's cats and Westin Prices' findings can be put into play under this new understanding of airway, caries, and perio. I'm thinking this whole airway thing may be the true minimally invasive way of treating these two, commonly thought of as topical ailments, problems in dentistry. I'd love to speak to someone or follow a discussion on this board.

 

The second is this outstanding meeting in LA this fall. It's packed with OMT luminaries from across the globe. Is anyone planning on attending? http://www.aamsinfo.org/

 

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH

I will be out of the office July 14 to August 1. Just so you know...

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From: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com [mailto:core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Starnes
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:47 PM
To: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [CORE-Discussion] Shirley Gutkowski
Importance: High

 

Hi Shirley! You're not alone on here. I'm Cathy Starnes,  Dr. Rouse's hygienist. Welcome!

 

 

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From: 'Shirley Gutkowski' via CORE Dentistry Discussion <core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com>
Date:07/10/2015 6:36 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [CORE-Discussion] Shirley Gutkowski

Thanks All. I'll be the sponge in the room.

 

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From: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com [mailto:core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian T Fick
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 3:42 PM
To: core-dentistry-discussion@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [CORE-Discussion] Shirley Gutkowski
Importance: High

 

Will do Jack..... will do

She's awesome!


Brian T Fick DDS

First Choice Dental Group

Partner / TMD Facial Pain 

621 South Park St.

Madison Wi. 

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On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, John Stellpflug <drjackdds@gmail.com> wrote:

Brian.....Say hi to Shirley for me.  As was said in 'Elf', I know her!

            Jack

       

 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Brian T Fick <brian_fick@me.com> wrote:

Jeff,

Shirley is my dental hygienist and she's running my airway program. Can we add her to the blog?

 


Brian T Fick DDS

First Choice Dental Group

Partner / TMD Facial Pain 

621 South Park St.

Madison Wi. 

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